
Puzzler Answer, 2/21/98: Pump Down the Mileage
RAY: -- with us, Click and Clack, the Tappet
Brothers and as promised, here's the answer to last week's
puzzler, which you so...
TOM: Brilliantly, brilliantly.
RAY: As I described earlier. Here it is. A fellow comes into the shop the other day,
and he complains that his Volvo, an older one is misbehaving. It
seems to be losing power. It sputters. It has difficulty
climbing hills, and he says it's especially bad if the tank is
less than half full. Ah! We said Ah! Piece of cake. It's a
classic problem of the intank fuel pump not working.
TOM: Yeah, of the two fuel pumps.
RAY: For years and years Volvo's have had an extra pump inside
the tank, a feeder pump, which pushes fuel to the main fuel pump,
which is located outside the tank. That main pump sends it to the
rest of the way to the engine and eventually to the injectors,
etc. etc. so when the intank pump fails, the car will still
continue to run...
TOM: Because the other one is sucking it out.
RAY: The main pump is doing the lion share of the work, and it
will suck the gasoline right through the broken intank pump and
supply it to the injectors, but when the tank is low, it has
difficulty doing this, and the pump will moan and groan and not
supply enough pressure, etc.
TOM: Everyone who has taken freshman
physics knows why that happens. Everyone, everyone!
RAY: Everyone.
TOM: Sure.
RAY: Who has taken freshman physics and...
TOM: Passed it! I left that out didn't I?
RAY: So anyway he says go ahead replace the pump for 900 bucks,
see if I care. So we do it, and a week or two later he returns
and says Jesus, thanks guys, the car runs great, but my mileage is
down. You must have done something. They always says that. Why
do you say that? You must have done something. It's off by at
least ten percent. We say how could we have done anything.
TOM: We fixed it.
RAY: Right. We fixed your damn car, and now you're complaining
that we've done something. I say well, ten percent is hard to
measure so we throw him out and tell him he's dreaming. He comes
back a few weeks later and says it's down even more. It's 15
percent now and getting worse; you did something wrong. Again we
reassure him that we did nothing wrong.
TOM: Of course.
RAY: A head lock works wonders. He says I know it has something
to do with that pump you put in the tank, so we go ahead and check
the emissions and the timing and everything, and there is nothing
wrong. We throw him out again.
TOM: Good. I like this customer is always right policy.
RAY: We've come to realize -- when he returns for the third time
with his brother-in-law Bruno, that he's right. Even though we
did nothing wrong, I add we did nothing wrong putting in the new
pump.
TOM: You were remiss.
RAY: We did, by putting in the new pump, make his mileage drop.
We missed something. We missed something. What we missed is that
there is a piece of tubing that goes between the tank pump and the
main pump, and it had a little pinhole in it.
TOM: So the little pump inside the gas tank pumps fuel along this
tube into the main pump. The main pump then pushes it the rest of
the way to the engine.
RAY: Now with the intank pump broken, this little pinhole did not
cause gasoline to leak out because there was suction created in
that tube. When we replaced the feeder pump, we created positive
pressure in that line between the two pumps. Even though most of
it was being sent to the injectors, just enough was leaking out
through this little pinhole to cause this 12-point 7.5 percent
drop in mileage. So he was right even though we didn't do
anything wrong.
TOM: I mean that's an interesting...what if that were a -- this
brings up an issue, a legal issue. What if this were a life
threatening thing.
RAY: What if his car had burst...
TOM: What if it burst into flames and he died? Then he wouldn't
be able to see. Well, what if he didn't quite die, unfortunately.
RAY: Burned beyond recognition?
TOM: Burned beyond recognition.
RAY: But his memory was in tact, and he could call his lawyer.
TOM: He still had enough energy left to call his lawyer, right.
The thing is are you required then to look to see that there are
no little pinholes, which could never, ever happen except once in
a while because you would install the pump, you get in the car,
you turn the car, the thing would run like a dream, and you'd say
it's running like a dream, everything is fine.
RAY: Yeah, we never saw the pinhole because it was pointing up
and spraying gasoline on the under side of his car.
TOM: Sure, and you wouldn't even see it.
RAY: Right near that hot exhaust system.
TOM: You wouldn't see it. Interesting.
RAY: Interesting.
TOM: Yeah.
RAY: Yeah, whose responsibility is it? Ours.
TOM: It is.
RAY: It is, unfortunately.
TOM: I don't think so.
RAY: Well, the judge thought so. Anyway, who's our winner?
TOM: The winner is James Nofi, N-o-f-i, from Flushing, New York
and for having your correct answer chosen at random James Nofi
from Flushing, New York from all the right answers that we got
this week, you, James Nofi, will get one of our tenth anniversary
Car Talk t-shirts with our current slogan, "Celebrating Ten Years
of Bad Car Advice.
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